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rynneI spent most of the past two days away from the internet. That felt...really rather good. Journey's End no longer makes my stomach sort of knot up--I think I've come to terms with it, even if there are parts I don't like and parts I have to fanwank. XD
And speaking of time away from the internet, tomorrow I'm going to Las Vegas with a friend. I will bring my computer, and I'm pretty sure there's some sort of internet access, but I don't know how reliable it is. I don't think I'll mind, though, since it has been refreshing. But I don't think I'll be replying to comments for a few days yet, since I still want time. Depending on internet access, it might not be until I get back, which is on Wednesday.
My summer school class ended yesterday, and I'm very sure I got an A. (Frankly, I'm astounded at how easy UNR's been.) Though what's funny is that yesterday I told my younger sister my class just ended, and she was like, "So that's why you've been asleep at night and up in the day!" I completely cracked up. I stopped being so nocturnal even before she left for Africa, but I guess she just didn't notice? XD
And because I seem to be incapable of not talking about Doctor Who lately--yesterday I watched The Caves of Androzani. I have three main thoughts:
1. I'm not sure which is worse, Peri's American accent, or the ones in Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks. XD Peri's was all right for most of the serial, but in the beginning, I never would have guessed that she was supposed to be American if I didn't already know it.
2. This serial is so totally a cross between Doctor Who and Phantom of the Opera. o.O (![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
thunderemerald, maybe you'd like it? :p)
3. Okay, I could sorta see Five/Ainley!Master before now, but this made it more...dunno, obvious? Seriously, thinking about the Master as he's regenerating, even though the Master didn't even show up in this serial.... I have no interest in Doctor/Master in the usual course of things, but maybe I could get behind Five/Ainley!Master.
And because I want to talk about my ideas for post-JE fic (with some meta for background, because apparently I also can't help but meta)...
One of the reasons I'm so dissatisfied with the way S4 ended is that apparently I see an essential part of the show differently. In the JE Confidential, RTD&co babbled on about how one of the Doctor's salient characteristics is loneliness, that it's a necessary condition for the continuance of the show, etc. This boggled my mind, because I always figured it was pretty much the opposite. I mean, I've been watching a lot of Classic Who lately, and I wouldn't say that the Doctor is an essentially lonely figure there. He has definite periods of loneliness, like basically anyone else, but it's not an essential part of him.
Getting rid of Gallifrey does change things, of course. Being the last of one's species would definitely be a lonely thing, with plenty of opportunity for emo. But ever since the Lonely God phrasing and imagery started appearing, I figured the point of it was to heal that essential loneliness. My conviction of this was strengthened the more Classic Who I saw, because all the Classic Doctors I've seen so far (though note that this is only up to Five's regeneration into Six) are so far from being the Lonely God it's funny. Seriously, I think of someone trying to apply that appellation to Four, and I start laughing.
And ever since I heard that RTD was leaving after the 2009 specials, I figured RTD would be wanting to end up with a Doctor more like the ones in the Classic series, who managed to be pretty well-balanced, mentally and emotionally. I didn't think he'd bring back Gallifrey, which meant that the best way to get him to a better place, mentally, would be for him to realize how big a family he really has, take comfort in that, and continue on secure in the knowledge that he's loved. It wouldn't make up for the loss of his people, but it would have helped him.
Apparently I've interpreted the showrunner's intentions wrong, which is...well, whatever. It happens. But I still very much disagree with what RTD thinks is the best way for the show to go, and while I have no control over the show, I have no problem exploring what could have been with fic.
The problem now is that the Doctor actually believed Davros's bile, which means that, even though Sarah Jane explicitly reminded him of how many people care about him, I don't think he'd willingly draw on that. And the people who are left in this universe are (except for Donna) the ones who walked away from him voluntarily. They've never shown any sign of contacting him on a friendly (rather than professional) level, and since I'm sure they thought he'd still have Donna and Rose, they'd be less likely to try to check on him. But even if JE changed their inclinations about friendly contact, the Doctor is quite capable of shutting them down. And after Davros, he's even more likely to do just that. The only ones who have shown a consistent ability to draw him out of his shell are Rose and Donna, and he's just insured that neither can do that.
I can think of ways around what happened to Donna, but there's still the problem of her lifespan and inherent fragility as a human. Because of this, even if he did see her again with her memories restored, I'm not sure he'd be willing to listen to her, not with his Davros-reinforced shell. The way she is now, he could reassure himself that she's safe, and that reassurance is what he needs.
Which is where the fic I want to write comes into it. I won't pretend my idea's original, because I know it's not. It's still what I will find most emotionally satisfying, and I want to write it because I haven't actually seen a long version of this.
So. Immortal!Rose is probably already a cliche, but since we have so little knowledge about Bad Wolf, it's still something I can see as possible. I don't think it's the same as Jack's immortality, though--the Doctor would have known, as he knew about Jack as soon as it happened. So the way I can justify it to myself is that Jack was a step removed from the process, since he wasn't the one actually connected to the Time Vortex, and what happened with Rose is something different. The Doctor took the power from her, but there were long moments where they shared the power between them, so the Doctor might have been thinking I don't want her to die, and she might have been thinking I don't want him to be alone, and both of them were thinking that they wanted to stay together. These desires inadvertently resulted in immortal!Rose.
Before S4 started, I was planning a reunionfic where this happened, anddameruth gave me permission to use the brand of immortality in her Findersverse, where Rose's immortality comes from a connection to the TARDIS, which means that she'll live only as long as the TARDIS will--basically, only as long as the Doctor will, which neatly takes care of Rose outliving him. When S4 started, I decided to put this fic on hold pending how S4 would end, and now that I know, I'm going to adapt my reunionfic to fit with S4, but still using that idea, because I like it and I still have permission.
But unlike Jack, Rose has never died, so no one knows about her immortality yet. This is why the Doctors encouraged her to stay with Ten II in the parallel world, because they thought their lifespans would match. That illusion continues for several years, until something happens and Rose dies, then wakes up again, with Ten II knowing what must have happened. Knowing, as well, that Rose is going to end up outliving everyone she knows and cares about, including him--which he doesn't want to happen. But since he can't get rid of the immortality, he determines to get her back to Ten I, since she won't be outliving him, and Ten I will no longer have to worry about her lifespan either. And since Ten II still has all his intelligence and knowledge, he's able to refine the interdimensional cannon (THANK YOU RTD for giving me something to use to get her back to our universe, because I am bad at thinking of that kind of thing) to make it work safely even without Daleks blowing holes in the walls between universes.
Rose, of course, is totally done with him deciding what's best for her, so while she agrees to go back to Ten I, she'll only do it after she's had a life with Ten II, because she loves him too and doesn't want to leave him alone. So they live their life together, and when Ten II dies, she goes to find Ten I. Also, when she gets back to our universe, she goes to Cardiffto give RTD a smack to talk to Jack, because I am still very disappointed that that never happened. Anyway. She gets reunited with Ten I, who is still pretty messed up from Journey's End, and is torn between "yayRoseyay" and "omg I am totally poison to people I love and I don't want to change Rose", with some complicated feelings for the immortality thing.
But then they work everything out. Yay. And it's actually work, but they're both committed to it, and they end up being happy.
And! While Rose and Ten II are in the parallel universe, Ten I meets River Song, giving me the excuse to write the messed-up Ten/River fic I've been wanting to. The events of Journey's End could definitely give him the older eyes that River remarked on in SitL. So the Doctor goes through the River-period, and then Rose comes back and makes everything better. *g*
This is definitely going to be two fics, though--one that's about Rose and Ten II until she goes back to our universe, and one that's about Ten I through the aftermath of JE, meeting River Song, and working things out with Rose. My problem right now is, do I want the Ten I/Rose reunionfic to be a sequel to the Ten II/Rose life fic, or do I want the life fic to be a prequel to the reunionfic? I'm not sure which one I want to write more! XD
I do have every intention of writing these, but part of the reason I wrote here what is basically an outline is because I might need people to badger me. :p So if anyone wants to poke me occasionally about these fics, go right ahead.
And speaking of time away from the internet, tomorrow I'm going to Las Vegas with a friend. I will bring my computer, and I'm pretty sure there's some sort of internet access, but I don't know how reliable it is. I don't think I'll mind, though, since it has been refreshing. But I don't think I'll be replying to comments for a few days yet, since I still want time. Depending on internet access, it might not be until I get back, which is on Wednesday.
My summer school class ended yesterday, and I'm very sure I got an A. (Frankly, I'm astounded at how easy UNR's been.) Though what's funny is that yesterday I told my younger sister my class just ended, and she was like, "So that's why you've been asleep at night and up in the day!" I completely cracked up. I stopped being so nocturnal even before she left for Africa, but I guess she just didn't notice? XD
And because I seem to be incapable of not talking about Doctor Who lately--yesterday I watched The Caves of Androzani. I have three main thoughts:
1. I'm not sure which is worse, Peri's American accent, or the ones in Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks. XD Peri's was all right for most of the serial, but in the beginning, I never would have guessed that she was supposed to be American if I didn't already know it.
2. This serial is so totally a cross between Doctor Who and Phantom of the Opera. o.O (
thunderemerald, maybe you'd like it? :p)3. Okay, I could sorta see Five/Ainley!Master before now, but this made it more...dunno, obvious? Seriously, thinking about the Master as he's regenerating, even though the Master didn't even show up in this serial.... I have no interest in Doctor/Master in the usual course of things, but maybe I could get behind Five/Ainley!Master.
And because I want to talk about my ideas for post-JE fic (with some meta for background, because apparently I also can't help but meta)...
One of the reasons I'm so dissatisfied with the way S4 ended is that apparently I see an essential part of the show differently. In the JE Confidential, RTD&co babbled on about how one of the Doctor's salient characteristics is loneliness, that it's a necessary condition for the continuance of the show, etc. This boggled my mind, because I always figured it was pretty much the opposite. I mean, I've been watching a lot of Classic Who lately, and I wouldn't say that the Doctor is an essentially lonely figure there. He has definite periods of loneliness, like basically anyone else, but it's not an essential part of him.
Getting rid of Gallifrey does change things, of course. Being the last of one's species would definitely be a lonely thing, with plenty of opportunity for emo. But ever since the Lonely God phrasing and imagery started appearing, I figured the point of it was to heal that essential loneliness. My conviction of this was strengthened the more Classic Who I saw, because all the Classic Doctors I've seen so far (though note that this is only up to Five's regeneration into Six) are so far from being the Lonely God it's funny. Seriously, I think of someone trying to apply that appellation to Four, and I start laughing.
And ever since I heard that RTD was leaving after the 2009 specials, I figured RTD would be wanting to end up with a Doctor more like the ones in the Classic series, who managed to be pretty well-balanced, mentally and emotionally. I didn't think he'd bring back Gallifrey, which meant that the best way to get him to a better place, mentally, would be for him to realize how big a family he really has, take comfort in that, and continue on secure in the knowledge that he's loved. It wouldn't make up for the loss of his people, but it would have helped him.
Apparently I've interpreted the showrunner's intentions wrong, which is...well, whatever. It happens. But I still very much disagree with what RTD thinks is the best way for the show to go, and while I have no control over the show, I have no problem exploring what could have been with fic.
The problem now is that the Doctor actually believed Davros's bile, which means that, even though Sarah Jane explicitly reminded him of how many people care about him, I don't think he'd willingly draw on that. And the people who are left in this universe are (except for Donna) the ones who walked away from him voluntarily. They've never shown any sign of contacting him on a friendly (rather than professional) level, and since I'm sure they thought he'd still have Donna and Rose, they'd be less likely to try to check on him. But even if JE changed their inclinations about friendly contact, the Doctor is quite capable of shutting them down. And after Davros, he's even more likely to do just that. The only ones who have shown a consistent ability to draw him out of his shell are Rose and Donna, and he's just insured that neither can do that.
I can think of ways around what happened to Donna, but there's still the problem of her lifespan and inherent fragility as a human. Because of this, even if he did see her again with her memories restored, I'm not sure he'd be willing to listen to her, not with his Davros-reinforced shell. The way she is now, he could reassure himself that she's safe, and that reassurance is what he needs.
Which is where the fic I want to write comes into it. I won't pretend my idea's original, because I know it's not. It's still what I will find most emotionally satisfying, and I want to write it because I haven't actually seen a long version of this.
So. Immortal!Rose is probably already a cliche, but since we have so little knowledge about Bad Wolf, it's still something I can see as possible. I don't think it's the same as Jack's immortality, though--the Doctor would have known, as he knew about Jack as soon as it happened. So the way I can justify it to myself is that Jack was a step removed from the process, since he wasn't the one actually connected to the Time Vortex, and what happened with Rose is something different. The Doctor took the power from her, but there were long moments where they shared the power between them, so the Doctor might have been thinking I don't want her to die, and she might have been thinking I don't want him to be alone, and both of them were thinking that they wanted to stay together. These desires inadvertently resulted in immortal!Rose.
Before S4 started, I was planning a reunionfic where this happened, and
dameruth gave me permission to use the brand of immortality in her Findersverse, where Rose's immortality comes from a connection to the TARDIS, which means that she'll live only as long as the TARDIS will--basically, only as long as the Doctor will, which neatly takes care of Rose outliving him. When S4 started, I decided to put this fic on hold pending how S4 would end, and now that I know, I'm going to adapt my reunionfic to fit with S4, but still using that idea, because I like it and I still have permission.But unlike Jack, Rose has never died, so no one knows about her immortality yet. This is why the Doctors encouraged her to stay with Ten II in the parallel world, because they thought their lifespans would match. That illusion continues for several years, until something happens and Rose dies, then wakes up again, with Ten II knowing what must have happened. Knowing, as well, that Rose is going to end up outliving everyone she knows and cares about, including him--which he doesn't want to happen. But since he can't get rid of the immortality, he determines to get her back to Ten I, since she won't be outliving him, and Ten I will no longer have to worry about her lifespan either. And since Ten II still has all his intelligence and knowledge, he's able to refine the interdimensional cannon (THANK YOU RTD for giving me something to use to get her back to our universe, because I am bad at thinking of that kind of thing) to make it work safely even without Daleks blowing holes in the walls between universes.
Rose, of course, is totally done with him deciding what's best for her, so while she agrees to go back to Ten I, she'll only do it after she's had a life with Ten II, because she loves him too and doesn't want to leave him alone. So they live their life together, and when Ten II dies, she goes to find Ten I. Also, when she gets back to our universe, she goes to Cardiff
But then they work everything out. Yay. And it's actually work, but they're both committed to it, and they end up being happy.
And! While Rose and Ten II are in the parallel universe, Ten I meets River Song, giving me the excuse to write the messed-up Ten/River fic I've been wanting to. The events of Journey's End could definitely give him the older eyes that River remarked on in SitL. So the Doctor goes through the River-period, and then Rose comes back and makes everything better. *g*
This is definitely going to be two fics, though--one that's about Rose and Ten II until she goes back to our universe, and one that's about Ten I through the aftermath of JE, meeting River Song, and working things out with Rose. My problem right now is, do I want the Ten I/Rose reunionfic to be a sequel to the Ten II/Rose life fic, or do I want the life fic to be a prequel to the reunionfic? I'm not sure which one I want to write more! XD
I do have every intention of writing these, but part of the reason I wrote here what is basically an outline is because I might need people to badger me. :p So if anyone wants to poke me occasionally about these fics, go right ahead.
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