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[rynne]

Home now. Have been up since six and have not had any caffeine, so am also feeling quite tired. But I got home at about eleven and went to lunch and the mall with friends and in about an hour or so I'm going to go to a bar with one of them, so this might be a day without caffeine. Those don't happen very often.

I don't really have much to say right now, so have the fandom relationships meme I took from krabapple.


[The old flame you don't see very often any more but whom you still really enjoy getting together with for a few drinks and maybe a pleasant nostalgic romp in the sheets.]

Oh, probably Harry Potter. I mostly read and write other things, but I still write the occasional HP fic and periodically read some and it's nice and nostalgic. :p

[The mysterious, dark, gothy one with whom you used to sit up talking until 3 a.m. at weird coffeehouses and with whom you were quite smitten until you realized he really was fucking crazy.]

Supernatural. I was never religious about watching that show, but I enjoyed it, until I lost interest about mid-S3, and now I'm glad I got out of there when I did because it seems really crazy.

[The one you spent a whole weekend in bed with and who drank up all your liquor, and whom you'd still really like to fuck again although you're relieved (s)he doesn't actually live in town.]

Twilight. Um, yeah. There's just something...fascinating about it. It's very hard to look away from.

[The steady.]

Right now it's definitely Doctor Who, but I still haven't quite let go of Harry Potter...

[The alluring stranger whom you've flirted with at parties but have never gotten really serious with.]

X-Files. I've written a couple X-Files remixes for Remix/Redux, but though I've wanted to write more XF fic, it's never really happened.

[The one you hang out with and have vague fantasies about maybe having a thing with but ultimately you're just good buddies 'cause the friendship is there but the chemistry ain't.]

Torchwood. I like Torchwood, especially where it intersects with Doctor Who, but on its own it just doesn't grab me the way DW does.

[The one your friends keep introducing you to and who seems like a hell of a cool guy except it's never really gone anywhere.]

Buffy. People keep telling me to watch Buffy, but it's never really happened.

[The one who's slept with all your friends, and you keep looking at him and thinking, "Him? How the hell did he land all these cool babes?"]

Stargate SG-1. Maybe I just need to watch beyond the first couple episodes, because I pretty much had to force myself to pay attention to those.

[The one your friend has fallen for like a ton of bricks and whom she keeps babbling to you about on the phone for hours, and you'd be happy for her except you just know it's going to end badly.]

I have to repeat krabapple's answer here, but bandom, 'cause RPF always feels like an iffy thing to me.

[The one who gave you the best damned summer of your life and who you measure all other potential partners against.]

Still Harry Potter. I met most of my flist there, and just had such a great time, even when my interest waned.

[The one that you will cheat on your steady with.]

Lord Peter Wimsey, though it's a ridiculously tiny fandom. I want more Lord Peter fic!

[The one that you’d look up on Friends Revisited]

House, I think. When I first started watching it, I read a few fics, but it was never really more than an acquaintance.

[The one that you’d change the locks on]

Sort of Doctor Who, because I'm going to live in my little world of pre-S5 stuff and COMPLETELY IGNORE STEVEN MOFFAT. The minute the last special ends, the locks are changed.

[First love]

Um, I think the very first fanfic I ever read was actually Rurouni Kenshin. I am still fond of that fandom.

[The one you first slept with]

Harry Potter, because that's when I first really started writing fic.

[The one who seduced you, fucked you over and broke your heart in a million pieces then laughed about it.]

Doctor Who. I love it still, but JE made me hurt, and the idea of Moffat being the next head makes me hurt more. And also, RTD literally laughed about that Dalek at the end of The Stolen Earth, because apparently everything can be improved by shooting the hero with a Dalek. (XD Which I think is funny, but still, the consequences made me hurt.)

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[shinyopals.livejournal.com]

Bwahaha. I agree with you on most of your Doctor Who mentions, I think. CHANGING THE LOCKS NOW.

I feel awkward about comparing Doctor Who to a relationship because while IT'S A TOTALLY ACCURATE COMPARISON, I keep feeling the temptation to use the words "abusive" and "dependent". Me/Doctor Who is a bit like Bella/Edward! *Nods*

Also, YOU NEED TO BE ONLINE MORE, MISSY. :P

[pncwho.livejournal.com]

Doctor Who. I love it still, but JE made me hurt, and the idea of Moffat being the next head makes me hurt more.

Me too. Holy crud, was it really impossible to give the Doctor the happiness he deserves, with the woman he loves? Bastards.

[rynne.livejournal.com]

Apparently so, because inevitably he'd have to watch that happiness DIE IN FRONT OF HIM. So you know, on the one hand, I understand why RTD did it this way and I'm pleased with that, since now at least the Doctor knows Rose is happy with another version of him, but I still think it would have done him good to have that for himself.

[pncwho.livejournal.com]

True, but in real life, when two people marry, chances are one of them will have to see the other die. Unless both parties die together in an accident, odds are one will outlive the other, sometimes by many years. Sometimes people marry terminally ill signifigant others, knowing that they won't have long with them. That's what love is.

I feel that what the Doctor did is nothing short of cowardice. He can't have forever with her, so he'll push her away for good and won't get any time at all. So rather than have a few decades of happiness, possibly even children as well, he'll just throw it all away.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound harsh, but that ending just irked me to no end.

[rynne.livejournal.com]

Well, I really completely agree. The thing is, though, I think he wouldn't have pushed her away if there had been no Ten II. I think he would have been willing to take that chance, but then there was Ten II and the question of what to do with him, and the solution he picked involved Rose being able to have a life with a man who could age with her, and still be with her family.

Frankly, I wish RTD could have resolved things without creating Ten II. I understand why people are happy that they don't have to deal with the fact of Rose's death, that RTD sealed his OTP off in a universe of their own where we can imagine everything. Part of me feels like that, but mostly, I still would have liked to see Rose stay with Ten (in a universe with no metacrisis), letting him have her presence and her love and learn from that for however long she lives, even if it meant we had to deal with the fact of her death later because of the format of the show.

This goes back to my main frustration with the ending, which is the theme--mine suggests hope and healing, and RTD's doesn't. Which pisses me off. But still, given the fact of Ten II's existence, I don't know what else Ten I could have done, even if he had wanted to keep Rose for himself.

[pncwho.livejournal.com]

I still would have liked to see Rose stay with Ten (in a universe with no metacrisis), letting him have her presence and her love and learn from that for however long she lives, even if it meant we had to deal with the fact of her death later because of the format of the show.

Exactly! No reason they couldn't have let Rose go off into the sunset with the original Doctor, then start the next series with the subtitle "Sixty years later", show the Doctor kneeling at her gravesite, maybe put a little gray in David's hair and show some kids and grandkids. Then start the next adventure.

As far as what to do with Ten II...perhaps he could've gone with Jack, or Sarah, stayed with Donna, gone back to UNIT to be their scientific advisor again...who knows.

[rynne.livejournal.com]

With the Ten II storyline, no matter what, one Doctor would have been left without Rose (because as much as I love the idea of Ten/Rose/Ten, it would never ever happen on the show XD). Ten I would have figured that if he did what happened in JE, Rose would get a version of him who could match her lifespan fairly well, and she would get her family. Letting her have her family has always been a big thing with him. Honestly, given that on the one hand, there's him, and on the other hand, there's another him and her family, I can't see Ten I wanting Rose to pick him. I mean, he'd want it for himself, but I think he loves her selflessly enough that he wouldn't want her to make that choice when she could still have a version of him and be happy.

Ten II could have gone with Jack, etc., but then all three of them (plus however many friends) would know that Rose and Ten II are ageing at a human pace and Ten I isn't, which is heartbreaking all around. Ten I would watch Rose die and know that she could have been happy with Ten II and her family if he hadn't be so selfish (which I think would be his thoughts, not mine). Ten II wouldn't have Rose at all, or maybe just for visits, which might be worse because then he'd keep getting taunted with what he couldn't have. Rose would have to deal with the pain she caused Ten II by choosing Ten I, the pain she's causing Ten I by dying in front of him, the pain he's causing her by staying young while she grows old (which is not an issue she's voiced, I know, but I can't imagine it would be easy to one day pass for your lover's mother), and her pain at being separated from her family.

Frankly, I think JE was probably the best solution, given Ten II's existence. But still, I would have preferred no Ten II at all, and Rose staying with just Ten for her forever.