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rynneI am very pleased with my remix right now. It still needs a bit of polishing, but it's a definite relief to have it basically done, and I really like what I did with it.
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velesia hooked on Doctor Who. *g* It's awesome to have a RL friend to watch episodes with, especially since she completely agrees with me that Christopher Eccleston is sexy. (This makes me want to stick my tongue out and say "So there" at everyone who doesn't like Nine/Rose because they think someone Rose's age would never be attracted to someone Eccleston's age (and who somehow manage to ignore the insane amounts of chemistry Eccleston and Billie Piper had together). Vel and I are both 20, which is close enough to Rose's age in S1, and we think Nine is sexy.)
Anyway. Yesterday we watched Aliens of London/World War III, which reminds me of something I've been meaning to post about. There be S4 casting spoilers here.
I love the Tyler family (of which Mickey is definitely a part) for many reasons, but one of those is what they add to the Doctor/Rose relationship. I don't just mean giving the Doctor a family too, though that's awesome, but rather the affect on both the Doctor and Rose.
I love reunion fics. A lot. And I've read a great many of them. But something I frequently come across is that Rose has to permanently leave her family behind to go back with the Doctor, because he can only make one round trip through the Void, or whatever, and this makes me sad. I've also come across a few fics, set during S2, where the Doctor thinks about how Rose still holding onto her family ties means that she hasn't fully accepted life with him, and this makes me even sadder.
Do some people not realize how awesome it is that Rose and the Doctor have a support system, outside of each other? Humans are very social creatures--we need a support network of friends and family to stay mentally and emotionally healthy. The Doctor is definitely the same way--if he weren't, he wouldn't keep finding people to travel with, and he wouldn't be so devastated at being alone in his head.
The Doctor and Rose support each other, of course, and this is wonderful. But no matter how much we may love a person, they can't fulfill all of our emotional needs--other people are necessary. This is part of why Jackie and Mickey are such good characters: they offer that necessary support. And more than that, they offer it to the Doctor as well as Rose. World War III saw Jackie willing to get to know him better, and The Christmas Invasion saw her taking care of him. Love and Monsters showed that she wants to protect him as well as Rose, and Army of Ghosts/Doomsday showed them supporting each other, from Jackie going along with pretending to be Rose to the Doctor setting her up with alt!Pete. And once Mickey accepts that the Doctor comes first in Rose's life, he's pretty supportive too.
I am very much in love with the penultimate scene in Age of Steel. Rose needed to see her mother, so the Doctor brought her, landing right in Jackie's living room--and he shows absolutely no resentment at being there. And he hangs back, because he knows Rose needs Jackie more than she needs him at the moment. I doubt Rose could have been so happy when next we see her in The Idiot's Lantern if they hadn't made that stop at Jackie's. I'm sure she could have gotten there eventually, but Jackie was what she needed then, not the Doctor.
And you know what? That's okay. More than that, it's healthy for a relationship. It's a good sign, them being able to accept support from more people than just each other. This is part of why I boggle when I see people calling Doctor/Rose codependent. Of course they have their issues, and I doubt anyone could accuse the Doctor of being in perfect mental and emotional health, which has a bearing on the relationship, but...mostly I see that relationship as being pretty good for both of them. (That's probably another post, though. :p)
Yeah, Rose will choose the Doctor over her family, if she has to make a choice. But this just means she's in love with him, not that she's betraying her family, or whatever. Leaving the family home is just part of growing up. As I mentioned, I'm about Rose's age--while I do still live with my parents, my best friend lives with her boyfriend, and has been for months. I didn't find it strange when she said they were moving in together, and neither did my parents, when I told them. It's a big step, but not an unnatural one--and it's the same thing for Rose. Choosing to stay with the Doctor doesn't mean she loves her family any less.
In Classic Who, the Doctor's life and his companions' normal lives are pretty much two separate spheres that rarely, if ever, touch. This is thrown out in New Who--out of the five companions we've had so far (Rose, Adam, Jack, Martha, and Donna), the only one whose family we haven't seen on Doctor Who is Jack's (even for Adam we got to see his mother), but even then we get to see more of Jack's past, including his family, in Torchwood. I know there are Classic Who fans who aren't happy with all the "domestic" getting into their show, but I think it's a pretty natural step to take. I haven't seen that much Classic Who yet, but I wouldn't think that many people would be happy, being cut off from their friends and family while they traveled with the Doctor. (Possibly among their reasons for eventually leaving him.) I'm glad that Rose, and Martha, and I assume Donna, get to stay in touch, because really, that's just healthy.
Also, Rose having both her family and the Doctor doesn't mean she's refusing to pick a world and stick with it, keeping one as backup for the other. She did do that in S1, but in S2, I saw it more as Rose integrating her two worlds, not juggling them. And Ten in S2 (as opposed to Nine in S1, who was afraid Rose would choose her family over him) seems completely all right with that sort of integration. I can't help but see this as a good thing.
So it makes me sad when I read reunion fics where Rose has to be completely cut off from her family to stay with the Doctor. I do think she would make that choice--she did in Doomsday, after all--but I'm so glad that it's not a foregone conclusion. I love Jackie and Mickey, and I'm glad they're coming back in S4 because it'll be awesome to see them again, but I'm also glad because it'll be good for the Doctor and Rose to have them there.
A picture is worth a thousand words, so I will leave you with this one. :D
I think I got
velesia hooked on Doctor Who. *g* It's awesome to have a RL friend to watch episodes with, especially since she completely agrees with me that Christopher Eccleston is sexy. (This makes me want to stick my tongue out and say "So there" at everyone who doesn't like Nine/Rose because they think someone Rose's age would never be attracted to someone Eccleston's age (and who somehow manage to ignore the insane amounts of chemistry Eccleston and Billie Piper had together). Vel and I are both 20, which is close enough to Rose's age in S1, and we think Nine is sexy.)Anyway. Yesterday we watched Aliens of London/World War III, which reminds me of something I've been meaning to post about. There be S4 casting spoilers here.
I love the Tyler family (of which Mickey is definitely a part) for many reasons, but one of those is what they add to the Doctor/Rose relationship. I don't just mean giving the Doctor a family too, though that's awesome, but rather the affect on both the Doctor and Rose.
I love reunion fics. A lot. And I've read a great many of them. But something I frequently come across is that Rose has to permanently leave her family behind to go back with the Doctor, because he can only make one round trip through the Void, or whatever, and this makes me sad. I've also come across a few fics, set during S2, where the Doctor thinks about how Rose still holding onto her family ties means that she hasn't fully accepted life with him, and this makes me even sadder.
Do some people not realize how awesome it is that Rose and the Doctor have a support system, outside of each other? Humans are very social creatures--we need a support network of friends and family to stay mentally and emotionally healthy. The Doctor is definitely the same way--if he weren't, he wouldn't keep finding people to travel with, and he wouldn't be so devastated at being alone in his head.
The Doctor and Rose support each other, of course, and this is wonderful. But no matter how much we may love a person, they can't fulfill all of our emotional needs--other people are necessary. This is part of why Jackie and Mickey are such good characters: they offer that necessary support. And more than that, they offer it to the Doctor as well as Rose. World War III saw Jackie willing to get to know him better, and The Christmas Invasion saw her taking care of him. Love and Monsters showed that she wants to protect him as well as Rose, and Army of Ghosts/Doomsday showed them supporting each other, from Jackie going along with pretending to be Rose to the Doctor setting her up with alt!Pete. And once Mickey accepts that the Doctor comes first in Rose's life, he's pretty supportive too.
I am very much in love with the penultimate scene in Age of Steel. Rose needed to see her mother, so the Doctor brought her, landing right in Jackie's living room--and he shows absolutely no resentment at being there. And he hangs back, because he knows Rose needs Jackie more than she needs him at the moment. I doubt Rose could have been so happy when next we see her in The Idiot's Lantern if they hadn't made that stop at Jackie's. I'm sure she could have gotten there eventually, but Jackie was what she needed then, not the Doctor.
And you know what? That's okay. More than that, it's healthy for a relationship. It's a good sign, them being able to accept support from more people than just each other. This is part of why I boggle when I see people calling Doctor/Rose codependent. Of course they have their issues, and I doubt anyone could accuse the Doctor of being in perfect mental and emotional health, which has a bearing on the relationship, but...mostly I see that relationship as being pretty good for both of them. (That's probably another post, though. :p)
Yeah, Rose will choose the Doctor over her family, if she has to make a choice. But this just means she's in love with him, not that she's betraying her family, or whatever. Leaving the family home is just part of growing up. As I mentioned, I'm about Rose's age--while I do still live with my parents, my best friend lives with her boyfriend, and has been for months. I didn't find it strange when she said they were moving in together, and neither did my parents, when I told them. It's a big step, but not an unnatural one--and it's the same thing for Rose. Choosing to stay with the Doctor doesn't mean she loves her family any less.
In Classic Who, the Doctor's life and his companions' normal lives are pretty much two separate spheres that rarely, if ever, touch. This is thrown out in New Who--out of the five companions we've had so far (Rose, Adam, Jack, Martha, and Donna), the only one whose family we haven't seen on Doctor Who is Jack's (even for Adam we got to see his mother), but even then we get to see more of Jack's past, including his family, in Torchwood. I know there are Classic Who fans who aren't happy with all the "domestic" getting into their show, but I think it's a pretty natural step to take. I haven't seen that much Classic Who yet, but I wouldn't think that many people would be happy, being cut off from their friends and family while they traveled with the Doctor. (Possibly among their reasons for eventually leaving him.) I'm glad that Rose, and Martha, and I assume Donna, get to stay in touch, because really, that's just healthy.
Also, Rose having both her family and the Doctor doesn't mean she's refusing to pick a world and stick with it, keeping one as backup for the other. She did do that in S1, but in S2, I saw it more as Rose integrating her two worlds, not juggling them. And Ten in S2 (as opposed to Nine in S1, who was afraid Rose would choose her family over him) seems completely all right with that sort of integration. I can't help but see this as a good thing.
So it makes me sad when I read reunion fics where Rose has to be completely cut off from her family to stay with the Doctor. I do think she would make that choice--she did in Doomsday, after all--but I'm so glad that it's not a foregone conclusion. I love Jackie and Mickey, and I'm glad they're coming back in S4 because it'll be awesome to see them again, but I'm also glad because it'll be good for the Doctor and Rose to have them there.
A picture is worth a thousand words, so I will leave you with this one. :D
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Date: 2008-04-11 11:14 am (UTC)Honestly? It’s one of the reasons I ship them. I’d almost say the reason. But then, I don’t separate the “support system” thing from the “giving the Doctor a family” thing. That’s what family is for.
In “World War Three,” the Doctor and Rose are trapped, and it’s Mickey who ends up saving the world. At the end of the episode, the Doctor invites him to come with them—trying to fit him into that Companion role—but Mickey turns him down. Their relationship is never going to be that simple. And then in “Father’s Day,” after the Doctor realizes that his old support system (the Time Lords) is really and truly and completely gone, it’s Pete Tyler who steps up and fills the gap. And then Jackie brings the truck in “The Parting of the Ways.” And takes care of the Doctor when he gets sick in “The Christmas Invasion.” And saves the world with a cup of tea.
When we got the news that Rose was coming back, I laughed. I don’t think I stopped smiling for a week. But when we got the news that Jackie and Mickey were coming with her, I cried.
I need my Tyler Family Reunion. (And that’s the perfect picture for it. ♥♥♥)
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Date: 2008-04-11 02:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-04-11 06:33 pm (UTC)If I actually ever got around to writing the fics I plan in my head, 99% of my reunion fics involve the Doctor bringing Jackie, Pete and baby sibling back with Rose, on Jackie's insistence. I agree that the idea of them being just stuck there is kind of not very nice. (On a side note: Mickey is thoroughly awesome but I'm always torn with him, because he has a family in the alt world!)
I pretty much agree with this entire post. The Doctor may be a little reluctant at first, but the Tylers become his family and that's brilliant. By the time the end of s2 comes around, Jackie is mother/mother-in-law to him (even if she does snog him! ;-) ) and despite his look of panic when she's in the TARDIS, he doesn't mind.
Love the picture! :D