I feel that to give the Doctor a completely tragic ending would be immoral. It's always been a moral show and to see virtue not rewarded, but effectively punished, is completely wrong (I may labour this point a little since I work with children and see how much they respond to the character of the Doctor).
Very good point. To punish the Doctor by constantly taunting him with what he wants, and then always withholding it, without somehow ending that cycle, doesn't really fit with the message of the show. In New Who, RTD has been great about having consequences with emotional truth, and to carry that to its logical conclusion with regards to the abandonment issues means that sooner or later, the Doctor is either going to be broken completely, or healed at least somewhat. If they want the show to continue successfully, they need to give him something to heal him.
Having said that, I'll be surprised if the Doctor and Rose have a fully consummated romantic relationship (much as I'd love it).
Much as I would also love it, I've already resigned myself to never seeing explicit confirmation of that kind of relationship on screen. If we get a kiss (with a romantic context), we should count ourselves lucky. Still, there are your suggestions, as well as the sunset option, a la the end of Survival. If Rose and the Doctor walk away together at the end of Journey's End, like Seven and Ace, and when next we see the Doctor he's years older and Rose is gone, with the understanding that he spent her life with her, I'd be fine with that.
Finally, I rewatched TDD last night and the wording of Donna's statement at the end may be significant. "I could travel with that man forever." That isn't quite the same as saying "I'm going to stay forever." It may suggest that for some unrevealed reason, Donna is already aware that their time together is limited, and if that's the case it would be lovely to see her actively helping to reunite the Doctor with Rose.
I hadn't noticed that distinction, but yeah, you're right. I've seen some speculation, especially after Donna and Wilf's conversation in The Poison Sky, that Donna might have some fatal disease she doesn't want to tell the Doctor about. I don't know what to think about that theory, but the distinction you pointed out could fit into it pretty well. And I would love to see her actively helping to reunite the Doctor with Rose--and judging by her efforts to reconcile the Doctor to Jenny, as well as her knowledge of how he misses Rose, it's not even that far-fetched. :)
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Date: 2008-05-15 08:12 pm (UTC)Very good point. To punish the Doctor by constantly taunting him with what he wants, and then always withholding it, without somehow ending that cycle, doesn't really fit with the message of the show. In New Who, RTD has been great about having consequences with emotional truth, and to carry that to its logical conclusion with regards to the abandonment issues means that sooner or later, the Doctor is either going to be broken completely, or healed at least somewhat. If they want the show to continue successfully, they need to give him something to heal him.
Having said that, I'll be surprised if the Doctor and Rose have a fully consummated romantic relationship (much as I'd love it).
Much as I would also love it, I've already resigned myself to never seeing explicit confirmation of that kind of relationship on screen. If we get a kiss (with a romantic context), we should count ourselves lucky. Still, there are your suggestions, as well as the sunset option, a la the end of Survival. If Rose and the Doctor walk away together at the end of Journey's End, like Seven and Ace, and when next we see the Doctor he's years older and Rose is gone, with the understanding that he spent her life with her, I'd be fine with that.
Finally, I rewatched TDD last night and the wording of Donna's statement at the end may be significant. "I could travel with that man forever." That isn't quite the same as saying "I'm going to stay forever." It may suggest that for some unrevealed reason, Donna is already aware that their time together is limited, and if that's the case it would be lovely to see her actively helping to reunite the Doctor with Rose.
I hadn't noticed that distinction, but yeah, you're right. I've seen some speculation, especially after Donna and Wilf's conversation in The Poison Sky, that Donna might have some fatal disease she doesn't want to tell the Doctor about. I don't know what to think about that theory, but the distinction you pointed out could fit into it pretty well. And I would love to see her actively helping to reunite the Doctor with Rose--and judging by her efforts to reconcile the Doctor to Jenny, as well as her knowledge of how he misses Rose, it's not even that far-fetched. :)